This one is different that is for sure. Turns out not a firearms instructor. Just an army reserve who our government taught how to kill people for our protection.

Everyone guessed him wrong at every turn. The ex FBI and cop guys said he made no attempt to hide who he was and would stand and fight.

But the asshole probably went out and for a final fuck you killed himself in the river. Thinking how long are you going to be in shelter in place before they find me.

 

They fiund him.

 

good, rot in prison for life... AND CHOP SOME LIMBS OFF ... SEND A MESSAGE TO THE REST OF THE SICK FUCKS WHO WANT TO FAFO

 

They say Robert Card has been found dead,

Still that won't stop the Left's call for more Gun Control. We have laws in place, like Maine's 'Yellow' flag laws, but what's the point of another 'law' if the previous laws have not been enforced? Every echelon of social/law oversight has consistently been overlooked by incompetent administrations at every level of government.

So, because of the failure of government honest, law-abiding citizens should be stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights, which are now more important than ever in the Left-fostered lawlessness pervading America?

I'm thinking... Nah.

 

from my cold dead hands

the bowling alley may have been a GUN FREE ZONE as well, what a shocker that would be for the billionth time

 

i was a lab rat for a bunch of drugs through all of my teens and young adult life

some of them instantly turned me into a heartless monster, and one left me with permanent brain damage

All of this was swept under the carpet while i still was under experimentation and mental despair

i have been off all of them cold turkey at least 15 years now

fuck big pharma

 

https://www.bangordailynews.com/2023/10/27/politics/accused-shooters-mental-health-yellow-flag-law/

Accused shooter’s NY mental health evaluation wouldn’t trigger Maine ‘yellow flag’ law

 

380 million people in the USA ... 40 million in canada @darkride

 

The Second Amendment is a dangerous anachronism that ought to have been repealed decades ago. In civilized countries even conservatives ask, "Why would anyone want to own a gun?"

 

because despite how civilized a country is perceived, all humans have free will and are capable of evil and good, knowing this, i would rather be prepared to defend what i love than not, and part of protecting requires gun rights

 

And where does it end on which weapons you need? What issue is it to ban the sale of weapons of war?

 

It shouldn't end, this stupid use of assault x and weapons of war is over reaching and just shock value buzz words as well because actual assault weapons .... weapons that are used by law enforcement and our military are already extremely difficult to have ownership of, the classic example ... the AR - 15 is a CIVILIAN PURPOSED RIFLE....it's not used as an assault weapon by the military or police because of it's limited fire modes, barrel length, and ammo use.

Assuming someone's intention before they commit a crime is a highly immoral tyrannical approach to fighting crime....guilty before being proven innocent simply does not work in favor of it's citizens

it's also a part of a police state

 

And that's the other trope. "You're just saying that to scare people." The gun people have it all figured out.

 

delete this

 

I was wrong about this. The shooter shot himself near the recycling plan.

But I think one thing to take away from this is mass shooters might be getting better at what they do.




Maine mass killing suspect found dead, ending search that put entire state on edge
DAVID SHARP, PATRICK WHITTLE, HOLLY RAMER and MICHELLE R. SMITH
Updated Fri, October 27, 2023 at 10:40 PM MDT·6 min read
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LEWISTON, Maine (AP) — The Army reservist who opened fire in a bowling alley and then at a bar in Lewiston, Maine, killing 18 people, was found dead Friday from a self-inflicted gunshot, ending an intensive two-day search that had the state on edge.

Robert Card, a firearms instructor who grew up in the area, was found dead in nearby Lisbon Falls, Gov. Janet Mills said at a Friday night news conference.

“Like many people I’m breathing a sigh of relief tonight knowing that Robert Card is no longer a threat to anyone,” Mills said.

April Stevens, a Lewiston resident who knew one of the victims, said she was relieved to learn that the “monster and coward” who inflicted so much pain was no longer a danger.

“I’m relieved but not happy," she said. "There was too much death. Too many people were hurt. Relieved, yes, happy, no.”

Maine Department of Public Safety Commissioner Mike Sauschuck said Card was found at 7:45 p.m. near the Androscoggin River, about 8 miles (13 kilometers) southeast of where the second shooting occurred Wednesday evening. He declined to divulge the location but an official told The Associated Press the body was at a recycling center from which Card had been fired.

The official was not authorized to discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Mills said she had called President Joe Biden to alert him that Card was dead.

“Tonight we’re grateful that Lewiston and surrounding communities are safe after spending excruciating days hiding in their homes,” Biden said in a statement. He added that “Americans should not have to live like this” and called on Congress to take action on gun violence.

The deadliest shootings in Maine history stunned a state of 1.3 million people that has relatively little violent crime and had only 29 killings in all of 2022. In Lewiston, the 37,000 residents and those in surrounding communities were told to stay in their homes as hundreds of police officers, sheriff’s deputies, FBI agents and other law enforcement officials swarmed the area.

Card, 40, of Bowdoin, was a U.S. Army reservist. Leo Madden, who said he ran Maine Recycling Corp. for decades, told the AP that Card worked there for a couple of years and nothing about him stood out. Madden said he didn’t remember when Card was employed or whether he was fired or quit.

Last summer, Card underwent a mental health evaluation after he began acting erratically during training, a U.S. official told the AP. A bulletin sent to police across the country shortly after the attack said Card had been committed to a mental health facility for two weeks after “hearing voices and threats to shoot up” a military base.

A U.S. official said Card was training with the Army Reserve’s 3rd Battalion, 304th Infantry Regiment in West Point, New York, when commanders became concerned about him. State police took Card to the Keller Army Community Hospital at West Point for evaluation, according to the official, who was not authorized to publicly discuss the information and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.

On Wednesday, Card attacked the bowling alley first, then went to the bar. Police were quickly sent to both locations but Card was able to escape. For the next two days authorities scoured the woods and hundreds of acres of Card's family-owned property, and sent dive teams with sonar to the bottom of the Androscoggin River.

Law enforcement officials had said they hadn't seen Card since his vehicle was left at a boat ramp Wednesday shortly after the shootings.

Hours before Card's body was found, the names and pictures of the 15 men, two women and 14-year-old boy who died in the shootings were released at a news conference.

The victims of the shootings include Bob Violette, 76, a retiree who was coaching a youth bowling league and was described as devoted, approachable and kind. Auburn City Councilor Leroy Walker told news outlets that his son, Joe, a manager at the bar and grill, died going after the shooter with a butcher knife. Peyton Brewer-Ross was a dedicated pipefitter at Bath Iron Works whose death leaves a gaping void in the lives of his partner, young daughter and friends, members of his union said.

The Maine Educational Center for the Deaf said the shootings killed at least four members of their community.

Prior to finding Card's body, divers searched the water near a boat launch in Lisbon, and a farming business in the same town. At points throughout the day Friday, police vehicles were seen speeding through several towns, lights flashing and sirens blaring.

A gun was found in Card’s car, which was discovered at a boat ramp, and federal agents were testing it to determine if it was used in the shooting, two law enforcement officials told the AP. The officials were not authorized to publicly discuss details of the investigation and spoke on condition of anonymity. Authorities have said publicly that the shooter used at least one rifle. They have not released any other details, including how the suspect obtained the firearm.

Authorities found a suicide note at a home associated with Card on Thursday that was addressed to his son, the law enforcement officials said. They said it didn’t provide any specific motive for the shooting. Authorities also recovered Card’s cellphone in the home, making a search more complicated because authorities routinely use phones to track suspects, the officials said.

The Cards have lived in Bowdoin for generations, neighbors said, and various members of the family own hundreds of acres in the area. The family owned the local sawmill and years ago donated the land for a local church.

Family members of Card told federal investigators that he had recently discussed hearing voices and became more focused on the bowling alley and bar, according to the law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity. When he was hospitalized in July in New York, Card had told military officials he had been hearing voices and said he wanted to harm other soldiers, the officials said.

Authorities had banned hunting in several communities, in a state where it is immensely popular. However, following confirmation of Card’s death, a public safety alert was issued that announced: “The search is over for Mr. Card. The caution is over. Hunting may resume.”

The Lewiston shootings were the 36th mass killing in the United States this year, according to a database maintained by The Associated Press and USA Today in partnership with Northeastern University.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/amid-massive-search-mass-killing-050252450.html

 

A gun has one purpose, and one purpose only - to extinguish life.

Once upon a time they had a firing rate of about 3 shots per minute... now in America you can buy guns that extinguish dozens of lives per minute.

You don't aim a gun at someone and pull the trigger for the purpose of saying hello to them, or saying hey, could you put that down and leave. You pull the trigger knowing that there is a very real likelihood that the person you're aiming at will die. This is ever more true these days with ammo that is designed to cause massive internal injuries.

These are devices that should not be in the hands of just anyone. And yet in America - they are. Literally, just anyone can own a gun. You have a country in which 30% or so of the population own at least 1 gun, and now you have a country in which mass shootings are just normal. It's not uncommon. It's no longer a HUGE SHOCK that 20 people were gunned down. That's just your average day.

And still people argue that guns don't kill people. They argue that guns aren't the problem. They argue it's the people... not the guns...

The rest of the Western world just shakes its collective heads in sheer disbelief at the stupidity of these Americans who can't put their desire to own a gun, above the right of their kids to finish school without being involved in a school shooting.

The tide is turning. The next elections will see a drop in sitting Republicans, and finally change will happen, and all those who want to hold onto their guns with their cold dead hands can go become corpses, whilst the rest of America learns how to be the land of the free once more.

 

It is so bad several in the press noted they do not even cover most mass shootings. They even went so far to admit it all depends on the body count. It takes more like 10 or 15 people killed to qualify for getting covered.

And actually in most mass shootings the shooters have no gun skills at all. Many of them go out and buy the assault weapon just before they commit the mass shooting. But with an assault weapon and extended magazines the shooters don't need any skills. Assault weapons are designed to point and shoot. Because if you can fire more than 11 shots per second you are bound to hit someone.

But this mass shooting with 18 dead and 13 wounded shows what an assault weapons can do in the hands of someone who has been trained to use one.

However, we constantly see treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans need their assault weapons for self defense. But then turn right around and threaten people who disagree with them and the government with their assault weapons. Up to and including threatening civil war. Which to me is when law enforcement needs to step in and take their guns away. Because they are threatening to kill innocent people. That's not self defense. That is being mentally disturbed and violent. And they have no business having access to guns.

And the next most laughable argument is that somehow easy access to guns and especially assault weapons and extended magazine equates to freedom. No one is free in a country where everyone is in danger of being shot in a mass shooting. Because they happen everywhere. Its just a sick lottery if you get shot or not. That is as far from being free as you can get.

 

Before Maine shooting, Senate approved amendment that would limit gun background checks for veterans
ALLISON PECORIN
Thu, October 26, 2023 at 2:58 PM MDT·3 min read
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Before Maine shooting, Senate approved amendment that would limit gun background checks for veterans

Hours before a U.S. Army reservist who sources said had mental health symptoms allegedly shot and killed 18 people in Lewiston, Maine, on Wednesday, the U.S. Senate approved an amendment that would scale back background check requirements for some veterans and service members with mental health issues.

The amendment was authored by Republican Sens. John Kennedy and Jerry Moran, who had concerns that veterans could lose gun rights. It prohibits the Department of Veterans Affairs from reporting certain veterans to the National Criminal Background Check system when their finances are being managed by a conservator at the VA.

According to Kennedy, under current law, if the Department of Veterans Affairs steps in to help manage a veteran's financial benefits in a conservatorship, the VA is required to report that veteran to the criminal background check system.


MORE: Maine shooting live updates: At least 18 killed, massive manhunt underway for Army sergeant


PHOTO: Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) attends a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on 'Constitutional and Common Sense Steps to Reduce Gun Violence' on March 23, 2021 in Washington, DC. (Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images, FILE)
The Kennedy amendment, which passed by a vote of 53-45, prohibits the secretary from transmitting the information to the criminal background check system unless "a relevant judicial authority rules that the beneficiary is a danger to himself or others."

"Every veteran who bravely serves our country has earned VA benefits, and it's wrong for the government to punish veterans who get a helping hand to manage those benefits. Veterans who sacrificed to defend our Constitution shouldn't see their own rights rest on the judgment of unelected bureaucrats -- but right now, they do. The Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act would prevent government workers from unduly stripping veterans of their right to bear arms," Kennedy said in a statement when the amendment was introduced over the summer.

Maine mass shooting suspect Robert Card allegedly behaved "erratically" while deployed over the summer with his Army Reserve Unit to Camp Smith Training Center in upstate New York to support summer training for West Point cadets. Investigators are probing potential mental health issues Card may have had, and how he was in possession of a weapon when he opened fire at two different locations in Lewiston Wednesday evening, killing 18.

Maine officials did not speak to a potential motive, but said they are looking into Card's mental health when asked during a Thursday press briefing about his background and gun possession.

Card is still at large -- considered armed and dangerous.

MORE: Can background checks curb gun violence?

Democratic state lawmakers in Maine have repeatedly tried to pass laws that require universal background checks for all firearms but have failed. Certain people with criminal and medical histories are prohibited from legally owning a firearm in Maine.

In the 2016 election, Maine voters were presented with a referendum that would have required background checks for all firearm sales with the exception of "hunting, self-defense, lawful competitions, and shooting range activity." Roughly 51% voted no.


PHOTO: An armed police officer guards the ambulance entrance to the Central Maine Medical Center in Lewiston, Maine early on Oct. 26, 2023. (Joseph Prezioso/AFP via Getty Images)
Kennedy's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment from ABC News about this amendment given the Maine shooting.

The amendment is still a long way from becoming law.

It passed as an amendment to a package of three massive spending bills that the Senate is working through in an effort to fund the government. The Senate is currently considering dozens of amendments to the package, Schumer said Thursday he expects work on amendments to take the chamber through next week.

Even if the package passes the Senate, it will still need to go through a lengthy process to be squared with the House's version. Right now, the chambers are on very different pages about their spending bills, so it's unclear if the Kennedy amendment would make it on to the final product. It could easily be stripped from the bill in conference.

And then, both chambers will then have to pass the bills before they are signed by President Joe Biden. That's if Congress even ends up passing individual appropriations bills at all, which is far from a given in the current political environment.

ABC News' Sarah Beth Hensley and Ivan Pereira contributed to this report.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/maine-shooting-senate-approved-amendment-205800278.html

 

Shooter has previously described how he has a friend who is blind, and open carries down in Arizona.
He scares Shooter.
Not because he's blind and carries a gun pretty much all the time, he's actually not that bad a shot. No, what scares Shooter is that he likes to take his gun out and show it to people. Doesn't matter where he is, if the topic comes up or he can maneuver the conversation around to guns, he'll happily whip it out and start showing it. For this friend, a gun is some kind of trophy to show people.

Shooter also has a brother who owns, at last count, 17 rifles, shotguns, and hand guns. He keeps them in a safe in his basement, a very strong and modern gun safe. He probably hasn't opened it in a month, and when he does he is very careful handling the guns. He keeps ammo in a separate gun safe by the way. It's on the other side of the basement.

Shooter knows that of his 6 or so neighbors, 4 at least own guns. He knows this either because they are hunters or mentioned that they just bought a gun or in one case, wanted Shooter to know in case he ever needed to borrow one. None of them open carry, none of them showcase their guns, gun ownership is just not a big topic.

The point is, none of them are likely to shoot up a grocery store and they don't buy their guns illegally or (with one exception) think of them as anything but a tool and a right that carries serious responsibility with it.

And if it came down to it, Shooter knows that his family and friends would defend America to the death with their guns. Every one of them. No exceptions.

Shooter is pretty sure this is typical of American gun ownership. The whack jobs and criminals who commit mass shootings and use guns illegally are the problem, and they are a very small minority of the American landscape.

When gun control people talk about controlling guns, they aren't talking about taking guns out of the hands of whackos and criminals, they are talking about taking guns away from Shooters neighbors and family.

Except that the pesky 2nd amendment stops them from doing that. Which is a good thing.

Because Shooter is damn sure if it came down to it, the gun control people would not defend America to the death.